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		<title>By: B.J. Hedger</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-81301</link>
		<dc:creator>B.J. Hedger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on all of your points...many are teaching no-gi nowadays.  I think that if a school focused on only teaching gi BJJ then they may pigeon-hole themselves to those who are interested in MMA, no-gi grappling, etc

As for people walking around in rash guards and shorts...I think that is a lot closer to normal attire than a gi ;)

And I agree totally.  Someone like Marcelo will have no problem defending themselves without a gi in a real life situation...just like Bravo would be ok if he was walking do the street in London during the winter...

At the end of the day...as long as people are training and being good ambassadors to the sports...I&#039;m a happy guy.

I am an MMA guy and have been training for years...it is great to see how far the sport has come and I think that all art forms have evolved with the sport.  I&#039;m not sure there would be this many people training BJJ, grappling, etc if it wasnt for the explosion of MMA, most notably, the UFC.

Anyway, happy training!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on all of your points&#8230;many are teaching no-gi nowadays.  I think that if a school focused on only teaching gi BJJ then they may pigeon-hole themselves to those who are interested in MMA, no-gi grappling, etc</p>
<p>As for people walking around in rash guards and shorts&#8230;I think that is a lot closer to normal attire than a gi <img src='http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I agree totally.  Someone like Marcelo will have no problem defending themselves without a gi in a real life situation&#8230;just like Bravo would be ok if he was walking do the street in London during the winter&#8230;</p>
<p>At the end of the day&#8230;as long as people are training and being good ambassadors to the sports&#8230;I&#8217;m a happy guy.</p>
<p>I am an MMA guy and have been training for years&#8230;it is great to see how far the sport has come and I think that all art forms have evolved with the sport.  I&#8217;m not sure there would be this many people training BJJ, grappling, etc if it wasnt for the explosion of MMA, most notably, the UFC.</p>
<p>Anyway, happy training!</p>
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		<title>By: slideyfoot</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-59076</link>
		<dc:creator>slideyfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers: hope it proves useful! :D

Heh - I guess that depends on the climate where you live. Here in the UK, people will frequently be wearing coats, for example. 

Not to mention that Bravo is far from the only person out there teaching no-gi: the place I train has regular no-gi classes, which is common at most BJJ schools (especially in the US, where there is the strong wrestling influence). 

Then there are the numerous submission wrestling clubs, or indeed MMA, where unlike Bravo or BJJ schools, you learn how to incorporate strikes into your game.

Also begs the response that I don&#039;t see a lot of people wandering around wearing their rash-guards and shorts. ;p

Personally, I&#039;m of the opinion that training in a gi does not mean you&#039;re suddenly helpless once you try out nogi: obvious examples would be the numerous ADCC champions who primarily train with a gi. For example, my instructor Roger Gracie, or Marcelo Garcia, to name but two.

Having said all that, self-defence isn&#039;t really a concern for me: I train for sport, so the above is theoretical on my part. I&#039;ve heard plenty of anecdotes about people choking out others using t-shirts and the like, but those are merely anecdotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers: hope it proves useful! <img src='http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Heh &#8211; I guess that depends on the climate where you live. Here in the UK, people will frequently be wearing coats, for example. </p>
<p>Not to mention that Bravo is far from the only person out there teaching no-gi: the place I train has regular no-gi classes, which is common at most BJJ schools (especially in the US, where there is the strong wrestling influence). </p>
<p>Then there are the numerous submission wrestling clubs, or indeed MMA, where unlike Bravo or BJJ schools, you learn how to incorporate strikes into your game.</p>
<p>Also begs the response that I don&#8217;t see a lot of people wandering around wearing their rash-guards and shorts. ;p</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m of the opinion that training in a gi does not mean you&#8217;re suddenly helpless once you try out nogi: obvious examples would be the numerous ADCC champions who primarily train with a gi. For example, my instructor Roger Gracie, or Marcelo Garcia, to name but two.</p>
<p>Having said all that, self-defence isn&#8217;t really a concern for me: I train for sport, so the above is theoretical on my part. I&#8217;ve heard plenty of anecdotes about people choking out others using t-shirts and the like, but those are merely anecdotes.</p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Hedger</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-58958</link>
		<dc:creator>B.J. Hedger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that Eddie Bravo is more advanced and the fundamentals should be stressed but I feel that Eddie Bravo&#039;s approach is more adaptable to &quot;real world&quot; situations.  I don&#039;t see a lot of people walking around wearing their gi.  

Thank you for the link...great info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that Eddie Bravo is more advanced and the fundamentals should be stressed but I feel that Eddie Bravo&#8217;s approach is more adaptable to &#8220;real world&#8221; situations.  I don&#8217;t see a lot of people walking around wearing their gi.  </p>
<p>Thank you for the link&#8230;great info!</p>
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		<title>By: slideyfoot</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-58338</link>
		<dc:creator>slideyfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you bring up Eddie Bravo: not somebody I would normally recommend to beginners, as I tend to be of the opinion that his stuff is better left til much later in your BJJ training. I find its best to concentrate on the fundamentals.

Having said that, had a great lesson yesterday from one of our purple belts who is very fond of Bravo, sticking to the more straightforward half-guard material you can see at the start of &#039;Mastering the Rubber Guard&#039;. 

Speaking of BJJ beginner advice, reminds me to stick up my BJJ FAQ too:

http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/2006/10/bjj-beginner-faq.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you bring up Eddie Bravo: not somebody I would normally recommend to beginners, as I tend to be of the opinion that his stuff is better left til much later in your BJJ training. I find its best to concentrate on the fundamentals.</p>
<p>Having said that, had a great lesson yesterday from one of our purple belts who is very fond of Bravo, sticking to the more straightforward half-guard material you can see at the start of &#8216;Mastering the Rubber Guard&#8217;. </p>
<p>Speaking of BJJ beginner advice, reminds me to stick up my BJJ FAQ too:</p>
<p><a href="http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/2006/10/bjj-beginner-faq.html" rel="nofollow">http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/2006/10/bjj-beginner-faq.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Hedger</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-58332</link>
		<dc:creator>B.J. Hedger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. Grimsley, B.J. Hedger here.  I had you for a few classes during my time at Ohio State.  Anyway, I am very happy to see that you have begun some BJJ.  It is a great way to exercise and learn some things that may prove useful in the future.  Once you get running with BJJ, I&#039;ll get you some info on a guy named Eddie Bravo who is a phenomenal Jiu-Jitsu practitioner who focuses on no-gi Jiu Jitsu.  I hope all is well and if you have any questions about techniques or roadblocks that you may encounter in BJJ be sure to let me know...I know a thing or two about the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Grimsley, B.J. Hedger here.  I had you for a few classes during my time at Ohio State.  Anyway, I am very happy to see that you have begun some BJJ.  It is a great way to exercise and learn some things that may prove useful in the future.  Once you get running with BJJ, I&#8217;ll get you some info on a guy named Eddie Bravo who is a phenomenal Jiu-Jitsu practitioner who focuses on no-gi Jiu Jitsu.  I hope all is well and if you have any questions about techniques or roadblocks that you may encounter in BJJ be sure to let me know&#8230;I know a thing or two about the game.</p>
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		<title>By: slideyfoot</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-58200</link>
		<dc:creator>slideyfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally got that history post up, though I&#039;m always on the look-out for more sources:

http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/1982/06/history-of-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-bjj.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally got that history post up, though I&#8217;m always on the look-out for more sources:</p>
<p><a href="http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/1982/06/history-of-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-bjj.html" rel="nofollow">http://slideyfoot.blogspot.com/1982/06/history-of-brazilian-jiu-jitsu-bjj.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JiuJitsu365</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-41226</link>
		<dc:creator>JiuJitsu365</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post and overview. However, I believe that in it&#039;s present stage, Jiu-jitsu cannot be considered in the same context of the original usage by authors of the past(even as late as the 70&#039;s).  I believe that the rapid transformations that Jiu-jitsu has undergone in the last century and in our present century makes it impossible to answer the question in that context. 

Although if viewed on a broader level, Jiu-jitsu can be viewed as non-violent if one recognizes that to avoid relative destructive violence one can use techniques to help deflect or defuse a situation without excessive aggression or response. In addition as any practicioner knows, passiveness in Jiu-jitsu can also be a trap.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post and overview. However, I believe that in it&#8217;s present stage, Jiu-jitsu cannot be considered in the same context of the original usage by authors of the past(even as late as the 70&#8217;s).  I believe that the rapid transformations that Jiu-jitsu has undergone in the last century and in our present century makes it impossible to answer the question in that context. </p>
<p>Although if viewed on a broader level, Jiu-jitsu can be viewed as non-violent if one recognizes that to avoid relative destructive violence one can use techniques to help deflect or defuse a situation without excessive aggression or response. In addition as any practicioner knows, passiveness in Jiu-jitsu can also be a trap&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Grimsley</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-39436</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Grimsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slideyfoot - The most helpful source I&#039;ve found thus far is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Technique-Renzo-Gracie/dp/1931229082/&quot;&gt;Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu:  Theory and Technique&lt;/a&gt;, by Renzo Gracie and Royler Gracie with Kid Peligro and John Donaher.  Peligro and Donaher actually wrote the text; the Gracies demonstrate the various techniques in a detailed series of photos.

Part 1 contains a 26-page introduction to BJJ that includes a brief history.  I&#039;ve checked it against a couple of reference books from the early 1980s, neither of which even seem aware of BJJ but do discuss, for instance, Jigoro Kano, his systemization of jiu-jutsu and his adaptation of it to create judo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slideyfoot &#8211; The most helpful source I&#8217;ve found thus far is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Technique-Renzo-Gracie/dp/1931229082/">Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu:  Theory and Technique</a>, by Renzo Gracie and Royler Gracie with Kid Peligro and John Donaher.  Peligro and Donaher actually wrote the text; the Gracies demonstrate the various techniques in a detailed series of photos.</p>
<p>Part 1 contains a 26-page introduction to BJJ that includes a brief history.  I&#8217;ve checked it against a couple of reference books from the early 1980s, neither of which even seem aware of BJJ but do discuss, for instance, Jigoro Kano, his systemization of jiu-jutsu and his adaptation of it to create judo.</p>
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		<title>By: slideyfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>slideyfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of interest, what kind of sources are you looking at for BJJ history? I&#039;m keen on the topic myself, and will scribble something up on my blog once I&#039;ve got a decent list of reading material to go through.

There&#039;s lots of stuff on the web, but in terms of books (along with Gracie Magazine, which often has bits of history, also on its website, www.graciemag.com) things seem a bit thinner on the ground: there&#039;s Kid Peligro&#039;s &#039;The Gracie Way&#039;, Clyde Gentry&#039;s thorough MMA investigation &#039;No Holds Barred&#039; and the excellent introduction to John Danaher and Renzo&#039;s &#039;Mastering Jujitsu&#039;, but I&#039;m not familiar with much else in the way of credible sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of interest, what kind of sources are you looking at for BJJ history? I&#8217;m keen on the topic myself, and will scribble something up on my blog once I&#8217;ve got a decent list of reading material to go through.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of stuff on the web, but in terms of books (along with Gracie Magazine, which often has bits of history, also on its website, <a href="http://www.graciemag.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.graciemag.com</a>) things seem a bit thinner on the ground: there&#8217;s Kid Peligro&#8217;s &#8216;The Gracie Way&#8217;, Clyde Gentry&#8217;s thorough MMA investigation &#8216;No Holds Barred&#8217; and the excellent introduction to John Danaher and Renzo&#8217;s &#8216;Mastering Jujitsu&#8217;, but I&#8217;m not familiar with much else in the way of credible sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Grimsley</title>
		<link>http://warhistorian.org/wordpress/?p=685&#038;cpage=1#comment-38304</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Grimsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amory - Thanks for the compliment on the post.

You&#039;re right that as a martial art, jiu jitsu is hardly nonviolent.  As I&#039;m sure you already know,  it&#039;s potentially lethal.  Some of the submissions, if fully executed, would result either in breaking an opponent&#039;s neck or cutting off blood flow to the brain long enough to cause death.  Another possibility is to get into a position from which you can beat the crap our of someone while restricting or eliminating their ability to counterpunch.

It&#039;s only in the metaphorical sense that jiu jitu can be applied to nonviolence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amory &#8211; Thanks for the compliment on the post.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that as a martial art, jiu jitsu is hardly nonviolent.  As I&#8217;m sure you already know,  it&#8217;s potentially lethal.  Some of the submissions, if fully executed, would result either in breaking an opponent&#8217;s neck or cutting off blood flow to the brain long enough to cause death.  Another possibility is to get into a position from which you can beat the crap our of someone while restricting or eliminating their ability to counterpunch.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only in the metaphorical sense that jiu jitu can be applied to nonviolence.</p>
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